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email: jc@rugkazbah.com
Mon, Jul 23rd, 2007 08:06:38 PM
Topic: turko-idiot price's Turkmen "lecture"

The rug idiot professor from Virginia Commonwealth University, steven price, has repeatedly impugned RK’s research on and collection of historic oriental rugs. In his past and ongoing attempts to do so, he has distorted the truth, removed our ideas and statements from context and, in general, tried to present a picture that is fiction and totally fallacious.

RK knows the rug clown professor price of Virginia Commonwealth University can’t really critique what we write, so he has to rely on subterfuge, mis-and dis-statement to try and prove his pointless points.

On the other hand, RK has frequently demonstrated with fact and accuracy the stupidity and idiocy of Virginia Commonwealth University professor price’s efforts, both in proving his imaginary rug expertise and inability to critique what we have done.

There is little doubt Virginia Commonwealth University professor price is all and even more of the rug-moron we have accused him of being and, for the umpteenth time, we will spend a few more minutes of our time proving it.

The rug challenged Virginia Commonwealth University professor price also has another website, besides the one for oriental rugs. That one is theoretically devoted to “Tribal Art” and is called “Afro-Dit or the “Tribal Art Forum".

Today, RK took a look in there and from our noting the newest entry on the site is dated April 2, 2007, we believe it could rightly be inferred price’s audience is miniscule at best and this website is nothing more than another of his foolish attempts to puff up his ego, this time as a “TribalArts”, rather than an oriental rug, know-nothing.

We are not mentioning this to show price’s ability, or inability, to attract an audience but rather to put into perspective the following comments about it.

One section of price’s “Afro-Dit” website reproduces a “lecture” series the rug challenged Virginia Commonwealth University professor price gave to “…a group of interested adults at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, in Richmond.”

The title of that series is “Weavings and Wood: Introduction to Tribal Arts from Southeast Asia to West Africa”.

Here is price’s preamble to the online posting of the “lectures”:

“Some years ago I gave a short course (4 hours) with this title to a group of interested adults at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, in Richmond. Here is the text from which I worked, divided (for convenience) into the four lectures plus a list of reference material that I gave the students.”

Since RK is not interested in, or knowledgeable about, the arts of Africa we will forego commenting on those sections.

But as “Textiles from Central Asia”, the third part of this series, does fall into our area of expertise, we will quickly demonstrate why Virginia Commonwealth University professor price shouldn’t be lecturing about oriental rugs to anyone -- even a kindergarten class.

Just examining the opening paragraph proves not only his inability to generate any original thoughts but, far worse, his inability to properly regurgitate those of others he has read.

“It's high, rugged desert country. The dominant tribal group in this part of the world is the Turkmen. This group consists of 6 or so major tribes (the exact number depends on what you count as a major tribe), each of which has subdivisions within it. The Turkmen come from a tradition of pastoral nomadism, although many of them had settled into cities and towns by the mid 19th century and almost all have done so now.”

This might sound OK to the naïve and uninitiated, however, it is, like almost all of price’s fractured fairy tale views of oriental rugs, simplistic, sophomoric and misleading, if not downright incorrect.

Here is a quote from an unpublished manuscript written by Siawosch Azadi who is, unlike Virginia Commonwealth University professor steven price, a genuine expert on Central Asian weavings and the people who created them:

“In the 11th century, actually from 1072 until 1074, Mahmud Kashghari (whose name can be translated as Mahmud of Kaschghar, which is a city in eastern Turkmenistan) authored the exceedingly important Turkish language encyclopedia ,“Diva-nu Lughate-it-Turk”. In this work twenty-two of the original twenty-four Turkmen tribes are listed along with their brands (Tamgha). (9)”

This statement and the direct quote from Kashgari is well-known.

Azadi is surely just one of many authors who have published it and Virginia Commonwealth University professor price’s failure to begin his “lecture” without such a simplistic rendering of the incredibly complex structures of Turkmen groups and their respective individual cultures bodes poorly for believing price knows what he is talking about.

Continuing this fairy tale version of Turkmen history, price quickly places his other foot in his mouth by declaring:

“The Turkmen come from a tradition of pastoral nomadism, although many of them had settled into cities and towns by the mid 19th century and almost all have done so now.”

Fact is there were always groups of settled Turkmen(those that lived in houses in villages and towns) as well as nomadic (who lived in portable tents known as yurt).

Once again, this bodes poorly for Virginia Commonwealth University professor price’s effort and his glossing over significant historical facts and trying to present in their stead a classic comic book version of history signifies his feeble understanding of Turkmen history and culture.

It also speaks volumes in displaying his unsuitability as a lecturer on these topics.

Quite frankly, we see little point in continuing to critique Virginia Commonwealth University professor price’s fairy tale version of what the Turkmen, their culture, history and weavings were all about. However, one of the next paragraphs presents thoughts that are so ludicrous and far from fact that calling them ignorant would surely not be out of place.

“The way Turkmen made their living was by selling their wool and textiles, and by raiding villages and cities.”

Again Virginia Commonwealth University professor price is out to lunch, as such a description might possibly be correct for certain groups of Turkmen but not for many others.

Naturally, since Virginia Commonwealth University professor price doesn’t know, or even realize, there were always settled groups of Turkmen, he could not possibly know these peoples were agrarian and not raiders.

But discussing the finer points of Turkmen ethnography and history fall far beyond this Virginia Commonwealth University professor’s ability and knowledge.

Let’s continue a bit more to follow price’s off-course tangents:

“They were the bandits that made travel on the silk road from China to Turkey and Iran so dangerous.”

Yes, it is true this situation was caused by some Turkmen groups but it was not entirely due to them, as price would have his readers believe. There were a number of other eastern and northern non-Turkmen groups, as well as some western Chinese ones who also made their livelihoods preying on silk-route travelers and caravans.

We could go on ad infinitum but why bother – Virginia Commonwealth University professor price proves himself to be a turko-idiot in almost every succeeding paragraph.

For any readers interested in seeing this amateurish attempt to describe the Turkmen in its entirety, here is the URL where price’s “lecture” is reproduced:

We have said it before and will repeat it again: Virginia Commonwealth University professor steven price has never presented even one original thought or concept about oriental rugs.

Nor has he demonstrated an understanding of those that are already known and accepted.

However, Virginia Commonwealth University professor price has shown a distinct propensity to obliquely hypothesize his own off-the-wall opinions and interpretations of them and to present these within a bogus framework of, at best, partial fact and truth.

According to RK, nothing could be farther from the reality than saying price is a rug know-little at best whose efforts, like this “lecture series”, are mired in simplistic analogy, incorrect reportage and dumber than a box of rocks statements and opinions.

To say they do not deserve even a moment’s credence, even by a 6 year old, might be giving him, and them, far more credit than what is deserved.

Author: Morano
Mon, Jul 23rd, 2007 08:06:38 PM

When is the next seans?

Author: Morano
Mon, Jul 23rd, 2007 09:54:40 AM

You missed it, maybe you'll be quick enough to catch the re-run next time?


I am waiting for the movie, what time does it start?

Author: Morano
Sun, Jul 22nd, 2007 08:39:36 AM

Hey, good stuff here.

Author: jc
Sat, Jul 21st, 2007 04:51:19 PM

Here is a quote the turko-idiot professor from Virginia Commonwealth University, steev price, included in his lowbrow presentation on the Turkmen.

We have already briefly, but succinctly, demonstrated why price=clown's belief he is capable of giving a "lecture" about the Turkmen and their weaving is mistaken and highly dubious.

This additional comment, which concerns the woven containers, called chuval/torba/mafrash, the Turkmen used for storage and transport, further our position(like it realy needs to be, right?).

"Bags do two things. One is obvious, they help to organize stuff. You can just hear a Turkmen woman yelling at her kid, "How many times must I tell you not to leave your clothes on the floor. Dirty clothes belong in a juval!" The other is equally important, and not so obvious to people like us. They conceal things."

Maybe price, a major rug moron if there ever was one, can hear that "Turkmen woman calling". Maybe while he was listening for her, he heard the rest of what constitutes his droll, boring and amateurish "lecture series"?

RK is sure no one else, besides price, has ever heard those voices and it is probably not to big a stretch to say only in a mini-mind like his would such thoughts even rattle around.

Or, for that matter, would anyone with enough sense to open a barn door bother to make such an ungainly, sophomoric and dull association.

But that's why price is known far and wide as the turko-idiot and the clown of rugdom.

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