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Fri, Apr 4th, 2008 11:35:43 AM
Topic: Rug Clown, Fool, Cheat and Ignorant, robert emry

This topic area, Stupidity in Rudgom, could easily become the largest repository of RK's eagle-eyed comments about rugdom and those who flock to it.

However, we are growing immensely bored with our pointing out all the blemishes and warts covering rugdom's public, and private, face. Therefore, we often decide it is not worth our time and effort to further expose its unsightly underside, and chose to forego further commentary.

Recently, though, we had a totally unpleasant and miserable experience with a somewhat high-profile ruggie named robert emry.

First off let us explain emry's "high-profile" stature in rugdom is not the result of his stellar collection, or his ever having demonstrated a superior understanding or expertise in our field.

Frankly, emry is a rug-knowledge-midget brain and his collection, we are 99.9% positive, would rival Virginia Commonwealth University steev price=clowns assemblage of airport-art quality weavings and worse.

No emry's claim to rugworld fame is entirely due to his frequent buying and selling on Ebay, where he goes under the name of "haroz".

We will, asap, publish the entire emry episode but let's begin by publishing a picture of the Turkmen engsi, along with emry's dumbass description, that we spied on Ebay several weeks ago. The seller was, once again, robert emry("haroz").

"A very colorful Beshir Turkmen engsi, circa 1900, maybe a bit earlier. Size is 65” x 46” (165 cm x 117 cm).

Good pile over much of the rug, but low in the upper central area, and pronounced corrosion of the black pile, with foundation showing in some areas that were black. One hole in upper right (see images) that is probably a result of the corroded black. There are a couple other small holes (dime and nickel-sized—should show in the images), and a few small moth nibbles.

The bottom end has about three inches of striped kilim. The top end is finished with a row of red and green twining at the edge of the pile, then about an inch of red flatweave, a thin stripe of black/brown, and then white flatweave. This flatweave is folded back at the black stripe and hemmed, so that red flatweave shows on the front, and white flatweave on the back. The side finish was a three-cord flat selvage wrapped with dark hair---much of the hair wrapping is missing, but most of the selvage itself (weft returns) are still present—there are a few small nicks that should show in the images.

The knot it asymmetrical open right. The warps are rather coarse hair, probably goat, that appear mostly gray, but are actually mixed black, gray, white. The flatweave at the top and bottom ends has wool wefts, but the wefts in the knotted part are white cotton. There are two wefts between rows of knots, and each weft is a single strand (unplied) of loosely-spun, hand-spun cotton (see image with detail of the hole).

The red is very intense, but to my eyes is not a hot, unpleasant color. I do not see any bleeding of the red dye, nor is there any tip fading, but I am not confident that it is a vegetal (madder) dye. The images were all taken with camera flash. The colors appear to be accurately represented on my monitor, although the flash seems always to make the blues look brighter than they do to the eye.”

Needless to say emry’s declaration this engsi is circa 1900 is nothing but a stupid guess, and frankly nothing more than a piss-poor one – especially since, as we have heard, emry has been buying rugs, attending rug lectures and rug exhibitions for decades. Not to mention his buying rug books galore throughout that period.

However, emry’s peanut-brained description, his penchant for buying airport-art weaving, or any other aspects of his steev price=clown-type efforts in rugdom, are not the reason RK is writing about him.

Rather we are now going to publicly expose and disgrace him for his dishonesty, not for his sorely deficient rug knowledge.

We are sorry to say this is all the time we have for today's installment but stay tuned as there is definitely more to come on the engsi, emry and his flagrant disregard for honest and forthright action – not to say his outrageous disregard to honor and keep his word.

Author: jc
Fri, Apr 4th, 2008 11:35:43 AM

We received some email questioning why we are "picking on" poor mr robert emry.

We surely are not picking on him, in fact we are only defending ourself and our position.

And should mr emry believe we are "picking on" him, he is more than welcome to post here and attempt to defend himself.

However, let us say in advance the only defense emry could mount would be one of deceit and dishonesty, as we have truthfully explained his actions and our response.

Perhaps, that is why mr emry has remained silent?

Author: jc
Tue, Apr 1st, 2008 05:33:54 PM

As soon as we spied the engsi that afternoon we called mr robert emry and, as we had done one other time in the past, asked him how much he wanted for it.

After hemming and hawing a bit emry said:
"Well, I was thinking about 400 dollars."
RK knew emry was basically lost in the sauce when it comes to correctly identifying a Turkmen weaving, or as he has demonstrated any old oriental rug, but at least we expected him to say a price that was vaguely commensurate with the history and beauty this engsi exhibits.

We, of course, said “OK” and after emry said the shipping cost would be 11 dollar additional we agreed and duly sent emry the 411 dollar payment.

After almost two days of not hearing from him, RK emailed and got this reply:

Dear Jack:

I did receive the ***payment. I have not yet sent the engsi.

Instead of sending the engsi, I intend to refund the ***payment, and take the engsi out of circulation for the time being. I will try to explain why.

Yesterday morning I had emails from several ebay watchers, including one who had already bid on the engsi, saying they were disappointed that it was withdrawn and that they had expected to have a chance to compete fairly for it. So I spent the day yesterday trying to decide the right course to take---who should be disappointed, you or the bidder who had already committed to buy it? And I realized once again why it has been my policy not to stop auctions and sell directly. You might recall that the previous time you called, wanting me to stop an ebay auction and sell directly to you (an old Tekke engsi), I insisted that you had to use the buy-it-now option (which I had on that listing), the same option that was available to everyone else, and thus fair to everyone. It was improper for me to agree to sell this engsi to you on the phone, and it was also improper for you to call and ask me to sell it, or for you (or your scout---I still don’t know who “***” is) to email and ask to buy it directly. But in this case it was especially improper to sell it directly, because this auction had no reserve, and thus I already had committed to sell it to that ebay bidder, or to whoever bid more. The proper procedure for buying things listed on ebay, is to bid on ebay. I have, so far, a very good reputation on ebay, and a number of collectors/dealers who buy from me regularly, whom I respect for their knowledge and support, and who respect me for being fair. Stopping auctions that they have bid on, or intend to, undermines that respect.

I hope you will understand that voiding my oral phone agreement to sell it to you is also done in the interest of fairness, and stopping that agreement is not worse than stopping the ebay auction that already had bidders, and thus already an agreement to sell. So, I let my guard down and compromised my principles, twice, and now I have to make amends. I intend to continue selling things on ebay, and I don’t want to get the reputation stopping auctions and selling directly. If I list something on ebay that interests you, you are welcome to bid on it.

I am sorry that I agreed to sell this engsi to you, but I will like myself better for undoing it. It isn’t about money---I don’t really care what I sell the engsi for or even whether I sell it---it is about principle.

Sincerely, Robert Emry”

To which we instantly replied:


this is really silly

why are you letting some low-rider ebay bidder bamboozle you

auctions are stopped EVERY DAY 100's or them probably thousands

please do not allow someone to tell you what to do or to make you go back on what you have arranged with me

you made an agreement with me - right or wrong you did it and i carried thru on my end

i really expect you to think this out better and send me the piece

returning the money nonsense

what more do i have to say to impress you with the reality of this

if you have good pieces on ebay anyone will bid, regardless of whether or not you stop this auction, or dozens of others

please now, Robert, be fair to me and my client who has now been assured we have the engis
and send it

i will not ask you to ever stop another auction but i expect you will honor your word and agreement and send us the engsi”

After some hours and no reply from emry we sent him this second email:

“I would jsut like to add one thought:
We made an agreement and your emails confirm that fact.

Our agreement is far more binding than your taking down the auction.

I will not let you, or anyone, abrogate an agreement for the nonsensical reasons you have stated.

I am no stranger to the court system and promise you I will not allow you, or anyone, to treat an agreement unilaterally as if it did not exist.

Please consider what I have written carefully -- your not doing so could have consequences you will not enjoy.

This is my last word and unless I hear back from you that you are sending the engsi to me, and honoring your agreement to do so, I will be glad to take this situation to the next level.”

Again emry did not reply so we sent him this third email that afternoon:

“Let's cut the shit here

you made an agreement to sell me the engsi and i fulfilled my end of the bargain

i expect and insist you do the same

if you don't i will haul you into a court of law and win hands dowm -- you have no defense, morally or actually -you made an agreement and must hold to it

and this is not a threat, it is a principle of good business and community

By the way: the deal with *** was another example of your inability to honor both good business and community

if the positions had been reversed i would have supported your problem with *** and insisted he send you the piece you won before I paid him for mine

but you selfishly went to get your piece and left me hanging out to dry

not very nice

so unless you agree to honor our agreement and send us the engsi, i will be forced to do what i said -- sue you and get not only the rug but damages as well

whatever excuses you want to use now will be laughed at in court and you will lose and lose more than you will be pleased to lose

got it now, my friend??”

Again, and after no reply from emry, we contacted our attorney and had him send emry a letter explaining our position -- that he should send the engsi immediately. If emry did not reply in 7 days, the letter said we would begin court action.

Another week and no reply from emry, so we instituted a complaint and served him with it.

This got dead-eye emry’s attention and not to make this boring story any longer, emry saw the writing on the wall and finally after more hemming and hawing agreed to send the engsi to us for free in exchange for a release from the court action.

End of the story: After paying all the court fees, etc, and the attorney, the engsi cost almost 5 times what it would have.

Like many in rugdumb, who do not really know us, emry believed RK was just talking. Well he’s learned we do talk, but we also walk.

We are also sure, if you would ask emry for his “side” of this tale, he would issue forth a mouthful of excuse and bluster but in the end he would have to admit what is written here is 100 percent true and accurate.

And just for the record, had emry not dragged his feet and kept emailing the attorney about the “release”, and not directly to us, the attorney fee would have been less than half, and RK would have never bothered to publicize this waste of time episode.

However, since emry deemed it necessary to waste our attorney’s time over the “release”, and add to our bill, we felt he deserved to be called out publicly for refusing to keep our agreement and to honor his word.

We also believe we let him off lightly by offering to stop the case in exchange for the engsi.

We now believe that was a mistake and emry’s failure to act honestly should have cost him far more.

But pompous greedy slobs like emry, no matter what their social or educational status, always believe they are right.

Regardless he got off lightly this time, we are sure mr emry might have been dished a good lesson here – when you give your word, you must honor it, no matter what the excuse or circumstance. At least when you’re dealing with RK that is……..

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