Once again, mr manoyan, your foolish recounting of unrelated stories, and you have not even recounted them correctly, demonstrates much -- it demonstrates that lack of integrity we mentioned yesterday.
While we are against turning the discussion at hand, which is let's all remember about the long yellow rug sold at grogans, into a personal one RK will not allow you to unilaterally vomit up a bunch of crapola and bullshit about us without providing the real facts and truth.
So let us digress a few moments and provide some reality to the tinker-bell fantasy accusations you have so incorrectly levied.
Our comments will appear in bold type, so read them carefully, mr manoyan, and learn the difference between fact and fiction, schmuck.
"Jackie Jackie Jackie
You Crooky Jackie.
Now listen Crook.
That $100 is already forgotten but the story behind that is funny isn't it?"
Like the small-minded arsehole you are, manoyan, you keep harping on a story that you admit is "already forgotten". So the only thing "funny" about this is your mentioning it again.
If it is already forgotten, shithead, then why did you even mention it in the first place, let alone a second time.
The answer to that question, even for an uneducated rug-restorer turned rug-peddler like yourself, should not be too difficult to compute.
However since you might need some help let RK clue you in to the answer: Since you have no real dirt to throw up at us, you then have to resort to something, anything, no matter how flimsy.
This is piss-poor logic, mr manoyan, but what else to expect from someone of your ilk?
So get your shit together, manoyan, and quit trying to make us into a boogey man.
But, as droll as it is, let's continue to examine more of your efforts to sully us before we also turn the klieg lights of fact and truth on your amateurish attempt to prove how wunderbar, in your sophomoric blood-shot rug-eyes, that yellow long (and the others of its "type") supposedly are .
"You called me 8 years ago and asked me to do you a favor and get it i mean buy the Turkmen bag Bertram posted which was $500."
Yes, this is true, since RK doesn't want to deal with a creep like frauenknecht, we asked you to do it on our behalf.
"I did and put the charges on my fedex account." After seeing it in person you didn't take the bag i ended up with it and you still owe that $100."
Instead of spinning bull here, manoyan, why don't you tell the truth?
Fact is when frauenknecht sent you the bag and RK saw it some days later and did not want it you said instead of my sending it back that you would buy it.
This is what happened, schmuck, and your selective memory needs some major recalibration, if that is even possible with a brain like yours that clearly is not of the highest of intellectual capacity.
"Your word against mine guess who is right."
There is no guessing needed, manoyan, your story is nothing but a half-assed untrue recital, one that is lame and stupid besides the reality your bringing it up is totally unrelated to any issue here.
But let RK continue to provide the facts to counter and further destroy your bogus positions and illusions.
"You didn't even know about a $500 Turkmen bag and like a belly dancer you started dancing and said well i just wanted to examine it."
Again, manoyan you're full of shit. We never said that so quit putting your words in our mouth, clown.
Fact is: RK is a serious Turkmen collector for more than 30 years and our collection is surely enough proof that we know about these articles.
The fact the Turkmen bag you had sent to you on our behalf, which let's all remember we saw only a small out of focus digital picture of, was not when seen in the flesh not good enough for us to buy is immaterial to anything.
Fact is it was a good enough buy for a rug-peddler like you to want to deal. That’s why you bought it, liar.
So in reality, manoyan, you did not get “stuck” with it, as you falsely claim, but you wanted it.
What did you do with it?
Frankly RK could care less but since you want to hang out this bullshit in public go answer the question and please tell the truth, if that's possible.
"You are full of it and this is your life crook."
Sorry, manoyan, but the truth makes you and your statements appear to be exactly what they are -- bullshit.
"Do you want me to write the Cotsen story too?"
Yes, please do but be sure you do it honestly and don't bore us with more tinker-bell fantasy BS, manyoan.
"Or in my shop in front of me you trying to sell your commercial floor covering kilim collection which is worth pennies to a European dealer for one million dollars?"
Ha Ha. "Commercial floor covering", well manoyan the more you try to prove yourself the more you look like the stupid little boy wearing daddy's shoes.
Careful you don’t trip again and mortally hurt yourself, junior.
If you really believe that about our Kelim Collection we suggest you close your little rug shoppe and get a job at a 7/11.
Really now, manoyan, you are digging yourself a hole you will never emerge from...keep it up schmuck.
"When he kindly rejected you kept insisting and said buy the whole thing buy the whole thing and he was laughing at you."
The more you present your "version" of RK's supposed actions the more it becomes apparent what a little jealous, pip-squeek dolt of a ruggie you are.
RK has never begged anyone to buy anything from us and our Kelim Collection is not for sale, nor was it ever discussed in front of you.
Start telling the truth, mr shitbreath manoyan. For your edification, RK has discussed our Kelim Collection with certain individuals over the years but only for sale as a DONATION to an INSTITUTION and not as something that could be resold or marketed publicly.
Is that clear enough for you now?
"So since you are a midget brained rug wanna be columnist let me teach you one thing and listen carefully."
Hey, manoyan, a dumbass barely toilet-trained rug peddler like you couldn't teach anyone but a naive ruggie anything so please wake up and smell the flowers.
And even though it's a waste of our time to critique your amateur-hour assessment of the long "yellow" rug in question, we will be glad to do it to show how little you know and how poorly you express your thimble-full of rug-knowledge.
"The two yellow Caucasian rugs you posted are great the blue one has nothing to do with the group and i don't know why you put the image of that.I guess that's how much you know."
Well, clearly either you can't read, can't comprehend what you read, or are just to intellectually deficient to understand why we illustrated the kufic bordered rug from our collection.
Simply put, manoyan you dunce, we published it to show what a genuine circa 1800 (or earlier) Caucasian village rug looks like in comparison to later workshop produced pseudo-village rugs like the two yellow rugs.
"The yellow group is rare,only 7-8 known examples exist,the small one belongs to a very nice lady from Boston and she got it from Eberhart years ago."
Hey rug-dunce, the number of examples is meaningless, even a bean-counter rug amateur like you, manoyan, should know that.
The fact the kufic-bordered rug of our has no other similar known examples is meaningless to us but it is fact.
Our rug is an archetype and the two yellow rug you seem to adore (or any of the others of the type) are not archetypes, or even prototypes. They are nothing but commercially produced inventions, they are not indigenously developed rug motifs like the kufic bordered rug exhibits.
Obviously, a discussion like this is way above your head, manoyan, so if you need further instruction perhaps you should put your dusty, little used, thinking cap on for awhile and maybe, just maybe, you might get it.
Frankly we seriously doubt you can but there is always the chance, no matter how small, a blind-man might see again.
I saw i9t in person.I would like to own that too but it is not for sale."
Let us inform you of the real story: A dealer in California owned it and sold it to hermann who then sold it to judy smith the "nice" lady you mention.
But regardless of who owns, or owned, or the fact it is the best of the type -- the type itself is nothing but a group of inventive workshop production pieces.
We can easily dissect the design to prove this but we have no time or desire to do so here.
However, should you like to meet us on a public stage to discuss these rugs, the long yellow rug and others of its type, we will be glad to make you look like the tongue-tied little boy rug schmuck you are manoyan.
So if you want to learn about these yellow rugs and the group, manoyan, go set up a debate and we will send you packing, dingo, just as we are doing here.
"The later ones come in navy background which i have one, there are Yerevan rugs as well with the same design."
Who cares about the later ones?
"The black and white border is one of the most desirable and rarest among Caucasians."
We presume you are talking about the border on the two yellow rugs, right?
Well again so what. This border is nothing but an attempt to replicate and reproduce a Persianate-type design.
Guess we need to remind you these are supposed to be "Caucasian" village rugs and while we will gladly agree the border is "pretty" it is foreign.
That 'foreign"-ness, mr manoyan, is actually one of many other indications we could cite that demonstrate our perspective on these rugs -- they are workshop and not genuine village production -- is the correct one.
"The condition of that piece is okay for the age but compare to mine is poor."
Who cares about condition?
Let RK inform you condition is only important for furniture rugs but for genuinely rare masterpiece early examples, and any pre-mid 19th century Caucasian village rug fits that bill, it is a secondary issue if one at all.
But then again, hagop, a low-level rug-dealer of your ilk can only focus on condition, as you have well demonstrated your inabilities to differentiate a pastiche workshop rug from a real village rug.
Fact is the smaller yellow rug the "nice lady from Boston" owns is so far superior in all other respects to the long rug from grogans.
Too bad you can’t realize this and your amateur-hour eyes are only able to see "condition"?
Your failure to admit this, the fact the small rug is superior, is but one more example of how over your head you are in this discussion with RK.
"The colors are excellent,the purple in my rug is the best and mine has full pile and believe it or not condition effects the price."
Duhhhhh, get real, manoyan. Condition only affects the price of furniture, not rare early weavings.
Go back to selling the mediocre mid-late 19th century rugs in your inventory, you are lost with anything else.
Once again, manoyan, the long rug is not as old or as well conceived or articulated as the smaller one. This is a fact, schmuck, no matter that the long one is in better condition or has a better "purple".
Yesshh get your shit together, manoyan. Quit wearing daddy's shoes and believing you are a rug-expert, you clown.
"There are three known long ones and five small so far."
So what, the fact they are all commercial workshop production is the salient one, not how many are "known", dummy.
"It is easy to sit in front of the computer to post images and talk about them but writing a check is a different story."
If you think writing a check, especially a big one, for a mediocre workshop invention is cool then enjoy yourself in a fool’s paradise, manoyan.
That's the point here, schmuck, not the fact you wrote the check.
"That's what i do i write checks."
From what we have heard your check-book is just as empty today as it was that day at gorgans and you got the money from a backer, right?
So quit playing big daddy rug-dealer, manoyan, and go back to your romper-room little shoppe where you can play big-daddy warbucks all day long.
You can’t get away with this crapola illusion here, and that is clear to anyone reading this, you posturing schmuck.
RK says: HA Ha, manoyan, go write checks, with other people’s money, for mediocre furniture rugs and dream the dreams that you, hagop manoyan, are a big-time rug dealer.
"On the other hand you don't know rugs, i experienced that first hand with your $500 Turkmen torba fiyasco,saw you buying $100 bags in Brimfield,sell junk on Ebay and buy a prayer Caucasian rug in New England auction which is full of chemical dyes and didn't even know about it and come to me and beg me to buy it."
Ho, ho, schmuck, let's shed some light here.
1. You claim we "don't know rugs", right?.
Are you so doused with your kool-aid that you believe this bullshit? RK forgot more than a pip-squeek rug peddler like you will ever know.
Yessshhh, come on, manoyan, wake the fuck up you schmuck and quit trying to prove your stupid assertions about RK. You are only hurting your position, fool, not furthering it with such crapola.
2. The Turkmen “fiasco” you continue to harp on is nothing but your inabilities to tell the truth.
3.You never saw us buy anything at Brimfield, so quit lying. And even if you did it is clear you would not know what it is we bought anyway.
4.Sell junk on Ebay? Yes, it is true RK sold several(two or three in total) lesser pieces on EBAY but so what?
They were gotten in trade and we tried EBAY out.
Period. End of discussion.
But on the other hand you, mr manoyan, have piles of even less interesting lesser pieces on the floor of your little shoppe.
And you do this everyday, you deal with lesser pieces. RK doesn't, so quit trying to brand us with your ridiculously arched and dumbass assertions.
5. Again you claim we "beg" people to buy our rugs.
What bullshit, manoyan, we never begged you, or anyone, to buy anything of ours and never will.
Here is a picture of that prayer rug we bought in New England in 2006.
First off it was bought for $7,500 plus premium at Hubley’s auction in Boston and if you think RK will buy a rug with chemical dyes for 100$, let alone 7,500$ plus, you are even more of an idiot than we could imagine.
We will include two details of the rug at the end of our comments.
Go look at these pictures, manoyan you schmuck, you might learn something.
Also for your information the rug was sold after a year or so to a MAJOR US collector, whose name is often mentioned with hushed breath and awe by low-level wannabe rug-dealers like yourself.
And as for your absurd assertions the “boys” gave it to me, or the chemical dyes you imagined?
All RK can say this is nothing but more fantasy bullshit from you.
We will admit the rug is not the oldest or greatest “cabistan” prayer rug we have ever seen but it is a wonderfully exciting and playful example that is old enough and cool enough to warrant the price we paid.
Did you even see it in person, manoyan, before it sold at Hubleys?
If you did and thought it had “chemical dyes” we are not surprised as you prove over and over you are nothing but amateur-hour small-time shithead ruggie.
Got it straight now, mr supposed big-time rug-dealer, who is in fact nothing but little mr schmucko?
“New England boys stuck it to you badly and were laughing with their mouths open.”
The “New England” boys you refer to are often seen laughing with their mouth’s open.
Let RK tell you: Because these boys, rug pickers and small-time dealers, know even less than a dolt like you knows, manoyan.
Fact is: RK has bought a number of great pieces under their noses, and yours as well, manoyan.
Need more proof than the cabistan pictures, you piece of crap?
“So to wrap it up go and learn rugs,having a website doesn't qualify you to make comments about other people's rugs.”
First of all the yellow rug from grogans is not yours. It belongs to a backer, so quit trying to convince us it is yours.
And now pay attention now manyoan, you dick-head.
RK’s websites don’t qualify us to say anything.
What is written on our websites, our collections and our books qualify RK’s expertise.
And as we said anytime you want to get on a public forum with us to try and prove yourself the expert we will quickly and expertly demonstrate what a piss-poor, poseur, amateur-hour rug-peddler you are.
“Now you can sit.”
Go fuck yourself manoyan, you pompous clown.
You could not tell RK when to sit or when to stand, you schmuck.
And your highly mistaken belief you could is as fallacious as all the bullshit you wrote here.
We are ready for round 2, manoyan, be sure you are should you attempt to further this discussion.