Ninety-nine percent of the online “discussion” about this Tekke torba is moot and meaningless, as c14 dating of old Turkmen weaving is unreliable and, regardless of what certain individuals might try float, a dead duck according to RK.
Other dead duck are jimbo’s beliefs and assertions about Turkmen rugs, particularly in this case about the provenance and dating of the chuval he used to own that is now in the possession of one kurt monkrazy.
so-called “Tekke” chuval, ex-jimbo allen inventory
RK has written about this chuval and our history of having seen it more than 20 years ago at allen’s former apartment on Vanderbilt Ave. in Brooklyn, NY; we need not revisit it again, other to say it is probably not Tekke.
It is an early, rare example for sure, however, it has no relationship to the Tekke torba in question and allen’s comment they are related because they both share “rich but sun blasted red” is nothing but bluster and bullshit, two qualities allen’s assertions invariably contain.
As far as RK is concerned the Tekke torba is a relatively early specimen but the ungainly, somewhat ghastly version of the typical Tekke torba features renders it more a curiosity than an important new addition to the oeuvre.
We also hold the same ideas about the chuval allen formerly had in his inventory.
Also the torba has been, according what we can see from the photos, chemically washed, as this picture below clearly demonstrates.
The absence of the brilliant coloration all early, well-preserved, Turkmen weavings show is quite a detriment but one that is not as significant as its ungainly articulation.
Here is the main gol next to one from another Tekke torba that is, in all regards, superior, not only because of coloration but because it correctly articulates the proper form and format all Tekke torba emulate.
Another point the magpies who are participating in this “discussion” have tried to convince themselves about is the import and alleged significance some missing, minor features, of the secondary gol hold.
Their erroneous argument this supports the idea the torba is 17th century is, again according to RK, nothing but more turko-idiocy.
Compare the detail of the secondary gol with the one on the other torba we illustrated above.
To sum things up the old adage a little knowledge is dangerous is surely worth noting here as the neophytes, and even less experienced, who are pontificating over the Tekke torba in question have not only insufficient experience but, worse, little ability to honestly and properly weigh the available information necessary to arrive at a believable, proper conclusion.
One last point that needs mention, though it is overkill since RK has repeatedly taken jimbo allen to task for his stupid assertions and proclamations about Turkmen weavings, is this latest one from him.
Here’s what allen said about the Tekke torba under discussion:
“ I feel it should be dated to circa 1650-1700. If it were any later it would have much better color.”
RK finds it incredible even someone with allen’s amateurish understanding could possibly believe such a statement is anything but ridiculous.
The coloration of the torba in question has been marred by the chemical wash it has undoubtedly experienced.
However, even if it had not and the unpleasant color was original, allen’s conclusion is laughable and completely incorrect, as it is a well known fact the various differences in coloration present in the weavings made by each Turkmen group are not due, in reality, to their age but rather to the numerous different locations these groups inhabited.
Lastly, RK has better things to occupy our time than critiquing every turko-magpie’s internet palaver but when a “discussion” like the one centered on this Tekke torba goes so far adrift we believe it is in our, and everyone else’s best interests, to set it straight.
When we last looked in and saw the turn the
continuing "discussion" has taken concerning jimbo's stupid theories, and now ms muffins mallet's critique, about "dimensionality" it only convinces us further why the rampant turko-idiocy these magpie are capable of spewing needs to be set straight.
Here's some additional pudding proof: