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Mon, Jan 16th, 2012 09:20:56 PM
Topic: "Anatolian Kelim goddess fragment"

Recently a lame and significantly flawed 'discussion' about a rather late and droll Anatolian kelim fragment has been sputtering along over at professor steve price et al website, turk0tek.com.

Were this 'discussion' genuinely worthy of taking the time to read, let along formulate a response, RK would, however, as usual price and his rag-tag group of magpie ruggies have once again got it all wrong.

The only way to correct their misdirection would be to erase it and start over.

But heaven knows price and company have been there many times before and, regardless of the criticism we and others have made public, these clowns still believe they are doing good and providing a service.

This is as fallacious as their attempts to discuss the said Anatolian fragment, others like it, the Catal Huyuk controversy and, in general, the large issue of the historic, and pre-historic, roots of the iconography expressed on many oriental rugs and related weavings.

As a suggestion to price, and the owner of the Anatolian kelim fragment, RK directs them to this page where the earliest example with this iconography is published:

http://www.weavingartmuseum.org/exh1_7.htm

This Kelim was also discussed in chapter XVIII of our Anatolian Kelim opus which appeared here on RugKazbah.com some time ago

http://www.rugkazbah.com/boards/records.php?id=1915&refnum=1915

Here is a larger photo:


early Classic period; Image Idol Symbol; Plate 7

as well as the portion of Chapter XVIII where it is discussed in greater detail:

Here is the early Classic period kelim, which is main source of the ‘hooked’-medallion.

early Classic period; Image Idol Symbol; Plate 7

RK has spent considerable time studying Plate 7 and could just as easily called it late Archaic period but we don’t like making such fine line definitions.

We believe this kelim, and the type it originates, is derived from Plate 2 Image Idol Symbol and perhaps at some later date we will discuss this but for now we will defer.

We also have another slightly later fragment, below, that was published along with the earlier version above.

Classic period; Image Idol Symbol; Plate 7

That fragment is, we believe, a part of the other half of the one published in the Goddess from Anatolia Plate IX no. 6.

Classic period; Goddess from Anatolia; Plate IX no.6

RK handled and carefully examined Plate IX when it was in the ‘collection’ of udo hirsch and, once again, we are positive it, and the smaller fragment we own, are the copy of the early Classic period fragment, Plate 7 in Image Idol Symbol.

Perhaps someday when we have done forensic testing and developed the necessary database RK will be able to prove our assertions about these two kelim, as well as many others.

Here is the next iteration of the type.


Early traditional period; Anatolian Kilim deYoung Museum; Plate 52

Notice the dolls in the side border, comparing them to those on Plate 7 Image Idol Symbol should make our criteria for dating it to the Traditional period crystal clear.

Also notice the important icon pair to the left of the blue hooked-demi-medallion in the detail; this is part of the icon set of Plate 2 Image Idol Symbol.

important icon pair;(l) Anatolian Kilim deYoung Museum; Plate 52: (r) Image Idol Symbol; Plate 2

The appearance of this icon, plus the late version of the top border reminiscent of Plate 1 Image Idol Symbol, further cements our belief the hooked-medallion is a pastiche developed from, and out of, the archetype Plates 1 & 2.

A step-down on the continuum for this type would be this kelim.


Traditional period; Undiscovered Kilim; Plate 16

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