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email: jack@rugkazbah.com
Mon, Jun 14th, 2004 08:53:54 AM
Topic: Delusions of "Early" Grandeur

This mid-19th century, at best, Kazak-area small rug was recently offered for sale on cloubland.com as an "Early Caucasian Carpet":

What's wrong with this picture?

First off "early" denotes a pre-mid-19th century weaving and, in most instances, it only refers to those made circa 1800 or before. But not apparently to this seller, who not only missed the boat on the age of his rug - he couldn't identify it properly either.

Calling it Caucasian is correct - just not very astute.

Here is the photo of the weave:

What's that look like? If you said Kazak you're right on the money. Too bad the seller rolled snake-eyes when he tried.

This later Kazak is not interesting at all visually, it is just another weaving with a mismosh of designs - what RK likes to call a pastiche. It might have ok wool and colors but unfortunately it is neither "Early" or" unusual"( in the sense of interesting) as the seller imagined or is it hoped?

In any event, it was posted for sale by beau ryan, aka rare elements, aka bobo, who has vainly tried in his posting to this discussion board to prove himself a "rug dealer". He even went so far, in his last volley of postings, to claim he is "making a living" selling rugs. Well bully for him, caveat emptor to his customers.

Rk's responses to bobo's blustering have frequently characterized him as a neophyte and a poser. Obviously we were right on. Bobo still needs more education, and not only in the rug dept. mind you, before he will be able to recognize a real "Early" Caucasian rug from a later day pretender.

Author: jc
Mon, Jun 14th, 2004 08:53:54 AM

OK, eyeoftruth, so I have sold a few items on ebay - big deal.

Some of the items are, as you have characterized them (again big deal) but the Caucasian fragment is far from mediocre - well at least compared to bobo's rug.

Here is a photo of the fragment:

This fragment, unlike bobo's rug, is correctly described but like bobo, you mr eyeofthruth, probably don't know enough to realize this, do you? That is even if you are someone besides bobo posting posting this bellyaching BS. We know the post was made from NY City at 6.45 AM this morning, so someone got up early to make it now didn't they.

The fact I have sold a few items - less than 25 -on ebay should be meaningless to anyone other than a spiteful rug-poseur like bobo, who was upset and probably made this post or directed it. Who else would bother to voice such a picayune response? And by the way, eyeoftruth, my feedback rating is 100% so clearly the few items sold made their purchasers happy because they were exactly what they were advertised to be.

I'm not interested in getting into a wrangle with a mini-brain like bobo, who is so desperate to prove himself the rug dealer. I have nothing to prove bobo, while you, little man, have got a long, long way to go. Bon chance

Author: theeyeoftruth
Mon, Jun 14th, 2004 06:43:35 AM

In all fairness to "bobo" Jack, let's talk about some of your reccent offerings on ebay under the seller name "thejax." The following is your entire description for a mediocre late Caucasian fragment that brought you a whopping $119.35. Since Jack feels that this piece is a "killer" and is "highly sought after", perhaps jack is the one who should be taking medication. I will try to post a picture of the piece, but the piece and Jack's other high quality offerings can be seen by going to eBay and doing a seller search under the name thejax. Make sure to search under completed auctions. To see the photo, please go to the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3726915541&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting This mid-19th century, or earlier, Caucasian rug fragment is a killer. The design is known as the garden design and it’s a highly sought after one, examples of this age and quality rarely coming to the market. Granted this one is only a fragment with areas that are sewn together but the pile is good and the colors outstanding and all 100% vegetal. There are no synthetic dyes, guaranteed. The photo of the overall rug was made with a digital camera and is much too light. The close-up photos were made as direct scans by putting the carpet directly down on the scanner and they are true to the actual colors of the rug. Caucasian rugs or fragments of this age and quality are few and far between and this one has great eye-appeal. The size is 38.5 inches X 56 inches (3 feet 2 inch X 4 feet 8 inch). Both sides are the same, there is no fading or discoloration anywhere in this weaving. It is dirty and will benefit from a good wash but as is the colors are strong and vibrant – great yellow, green,blue and red. This is a SEVEN DAY AUCTION and there is no reserve and a very friendly starting price. Winner to contact me within three days of auction end to arrange payment and shipping details or I reserve the right to offer the item to another buyer. I accept money orders and personal checks NO PAYPAL, CREDIT CARDS or Cash payments, please note. Buyer is responsible for all shipping charges. I will pack the item professionally for shipment at no cost. I ship ONLY by US Post Office priority 2nd day return receipt unless I have agreed in writing with the winner to use another shipper. Insurance is up to the buyer to request and to pay for. Please email any questions as soon as possible as this is a SEVEN DAY AUCTION and I am not always available online to respond. I guarantee all the statements here to be true. Best of luck in your bidding. To see the photo, please go to the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3726915541&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

Author: jc
Mon, Jun 7th, 2004 02:06:03 PM

Rugdom’s cavalier use of a word like ‘early’ has reduced it to nothing more than hype. There are ‘early’ rugs but this instance here just ain’t one of them. This should be obvious to all even those who are somewhat inexperienced, however, sadly it isn’t.

For comparison here is the genuinely early Caucasian rug that might well have been the archetype for bobo’s later copy.

The direct relationship of field design, minus the addition of that meaningless medallion of course, and border are strong enough to support this contention. But if, in fact, this relationship is not as direct as that presented here, the similarities they share undoubtedly infer the design found on a piece like bobo’s small carpet was only conceived because a real “early” Caucasian carpet, like this one above, paved the way for it.

There is nothing wrong per se with bobo’s piece – it’s cutesy and has a little something going for it. It’s just not “early” and I am tired of seeing weavings like it over-hyped and over-dated.

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