The Dumb Post of the Week thread has been ignored lately, as professor clown, everyone favorite dumb poster, has been pretty quiet, rarely venturing to put his name on a post. Today he did and the following qualifies for inclusion.
Here is professor price=clown's dopey take on fuchsine, an early chemical dye:
"The odd purple that you mention may be one of the early synthetics. The group included a very beautiful purple that fades to gray when exposed to light for awhile. If that's what this is, you'll see a much more vivid purple near the base of the knots, where it is shielded from light to a large extent.
That dye was rarely used after World War I, and it's presence would be pretty good evidence that the rug was made no later than, say, 1915. Regards Steve Price"
What he states is somewhat factual, although calling fuchsine a "beautiful purple" is rather naive considering the truly beautiful shades of purple in antique weavings derived from natural sources. Apparently a dead-eyed clown, who collects airport-art weavings like steev, can't appreciate the difference
However the rest of his statement can only be characterized as myopic because:
1. often when fuchsine was used in 19th century rugs, and no matter what steeev says few if any 20th century uses of fuchsine can be proved, often there remains no difference between the ends of the knot and the centers now that these weaving are over 100 years old and the effects of oxidation, washing and use have taken their toll.
2. few rugs made after 1880 have fuchsine as other cheaper and more easily used dyes were in the market-place by then. These were preferred by weavers for just those reasons, not fuchsine.
3. If, in fact, there is fuchsine in the rug professor clown refers to that fact would preclude it's having been made any later than 1890 and surely not later, as he incorrectly surmised.
4. the rug in question is undoubtedly 19th century and only a novice would/could believe it was a 20th century weaving.
Professor price=clown is supposedly a 'scientist' but the grossly inadequate responses he invariably pens call his abilities as a 'scientist' constantly into question.
Plus his academic accomplishments are as few and far between as any tenured professor I have ever encountered.
Just for the record here is one of the best explanations of fuchsine I have seen. It comes from an edition of a 1911 Encycelopedia that is accessible online at this address:
FUCHSINE , or MAGENTA, a red dyestuff consisting of a mixture of the hydrochlorides or acetates of pararosaniline and rosaniline. It was obtained in 1856 by J. Natanson (Ann., 1856, 98, p. 297) by the action of ethylene chloride on aniline, and by A. W. Hofmann in 1858 from aniline and carbon tetrachloride. It is prepared by oxidizing aniline for red (a mixture of aniline and ortho- and para-toluidine) with arsenic acid (H. Medlock, Dingiers Poly. Jour, t86o, 158, p. 146); by heating aniline for red with nitrobenzene, concentrated hydrochloric acid and iron (Coupier, Ber., 1873, 6, p. 423); or by condensing formalde - hyde with aniline and ortho-toluidine and oxidizing the mixture. It forms small crystals, showing a brilliant green reflex, and is soluble in water and alcohol with formation of a deep red solution. It dyes silk, wool and leather direct, and cotton after mordanting with tannin and tartar emetic (see DYEING). An aqueous solu tion of fuchsine is decolorized on the addition of sulphurous acid, the easily soluble fuchsine sulphurous acid being formed. This solution is frequently used as a test reagent for the detection of aldehydes, giving, in most cases, a red coloration on the addition of a small quantity of the aldehyde.
The constitution of the fuchsine bases (pararosaniline and rosaniline) was determined by E. and 0. Fischer in 1878 (Ann., 1878, 194, p. 242); A. W. Hofmann having previously shown that oxidation of pure aniline alone or of pure toluidine yielded no fuchsine, whilst oxidation of a mixture of aniline and para-toluidine gave rise to the fine red dyestuff para-fuchsine (pararosaniline hydrochloride)
CH3.C6H4NH2+2C6H5NH2+30 = HO.C(C6H4NH1)3 +2HfO.
Color base (pararosaniline).
HOC(C6H4NH2)3.HCI = H2O+ (H,N.C6H4)2C : C6H4 : NH2CI.
A. Rosenstiehl (Jahres., 1869, p. 693) found also that different rosanilines were obtained according to whether ortho- or para-toluidine was oxidized with aniline, and he gave the name rosaniline to the one obtained from aniline and ortho-toluidine, reserving the term pararosaniline for the other. E. and 0. Fischer showed that these compounds were derivatives of triphenylmethane and tolyldiphenylmethane respectively. Pararosaniline was reduced to the corresponding leuco compound (paraleucaniline), from which by diazotization and boiling with alcohol, the parent hydrocarbon was obtained (H2NC5H4)fC:C6H4:NH2Cl~HC(C6H4NH2.HCl)3 ~HC(C6H4N2Cl5)
Pararosaniline hydrochloride. Paraleucaniline.
The reverse series of operations was also carried out by the Fischers, triphenylmethane being nitrated, and the nitro compound then reduced to triaminotriphenylmethane or paraleucaniline, which on careful oxidation is converted into the dyestuff. A similar series of reactions was carried out with rosaniline, which was shown to be the corresponding derivative of tolyldiphenylmethane.
The free pararosaniline, C15H15N3O, and rosaniline, C25H,1N,O, may be obtained by precipitating solutions of their salts with a caustic alkali, colorless precipitates being obtained, which crystallize from hot water in the form of needles or plates. The position of the amino groups in pararosaniline was determined by the work of H. Caro and C. Graebe (Ber., 1878, II, p. 1348) and of E. and 0. Fischer (Ber., 1880, 13, p. 2204) as follows: Nitrous acid converts pararosaniline into aurin, which when superheated with water yields para-dioxybenzophenone. As the hydroxyl groups in aurin correspond to the amino groups in pararosaniline, two of these in the latter compound must be in the para position. The third is also in the para position; for if benzaldehyde be condensed with aniline, condensation occurs in the para position, for the compound formed may be converted into para-dioxybenzophenone, CiH5CHO~ C6HICH (C6H4NHi)2~ C6H5CH (CGH4OH)1
~CO(C6HsOH)z; but if para-nitrobenzaldehyde be used in the above reaction and the resulting nitro compound NO,.C6H4. CH (C6H4NHf)2 be reduced, then pararosaniline is the final product, and consequently the third amino group occupies the para position. Many derivatives of pararosaniline and rosaniline are known, in which the hydrogen atoms of the amino groups are replaced by alkyl groups; this has the effect of producing a blue or violet shade, which becomes deeper as the number of groups increases.”