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Author:The Truth
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Mon, Jan 3rd, 2005 04:15:12 PM
Topic: Toe The Line Unless You're Jack's Friend

Jack, I have to hand it to you, when you get on that soapbox, you really sing. It's just too bad that you're such a hypocrite. Your expose on the LA museum purchase is admirable, except that as ususal, you only attack people with whom you have an ax to grind. You still have not answered questions about another "charlatan" of eBay: Michael Phillips, also known as imokub2. Mr. Phillips sells much the same merchandise as does Mr. Allen. Why is he spared your whip. If you want to be a bastion of "what is right", then have the balls to take on all comers, not just your enemies. Whimp!

Author: jc
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Mon, Jan 3rd, 2005 04:15:12 PM

Hi John:

Yes, it is a lamentable situation, the bitchy-ness etc.

However, the larger issues - i.e. the almost abysmal lack of genuine original scholarship; the willingness of rug collectors and dealers to allow fools like price, jimbo allen and their small circles of hanger-ons to "speak" for the rug world instead of censuring or even silencing them; the control a small group of self-elected and perpetuating rug "names" exert on the icoc and acor; the lack of any real peer review of what appears in hali and on rug websites; the inability of the rug world to interest art museums to hold exhibitions outside of rug events like icoc or acor; the lack of equal respect, in fact snobbery, accorded to Classical carpets vis--vis early clan, village and town rugs; etc - make that one into a minor peccadillo.

Thanks for your perspective on imokub2. I agree with what you have said and also think mr truth's axe grinding is but a vain attempt to discredit Phillips, someone who works hard and runs an honest business - unlike many others we could name.

Author: john_lewis@mac.com
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Mon, Jan 3rd, 2005 02:51:10 PM

I have bought some pieces from imokub2 (Michael Phillips) and they were as described - willing buyer, willing seller - so "The Truth" should cite specific examples or shut up. imokub2 offers refunds if not satisfied. I do not make a living buying/selling rugs, to me they are works of art and beauty, I had no idea the rug world was so bitchy. You have my sympathy.

Author: jc
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Tue, Dec 28th, 2004 10:03:28 PM

puhleeze

1. Go omnibuds yourself -

2. So you got rooked on an ebay buy, huh? Well congrats for thinking it was free lunch.

3. But if you continue to grind your phillips/jimbo axe we ask you to do it elsewhere, didn't you hear - you're boring me.

Author: The Truth
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Tue, Dec 28th, 2004 05:56:41 PM

Ahh Jack, splitting hairs aren't you? You can't be a little bit pregnant can you? So I guess that what you are saying is that RK only cares about a certain level of reprehensibleness. Where's the line Jack? If you look at the records of Mr. Allen and Mr. Phillips, they are very, very similar. Both hype material inaccurately, both photograph things inaccurately, and lastly, both seem to be able to get their bids run up awfully quickly and regularly. Shilling??? I don't know, but the bid patterns are certainly suspicious. There are other people as well, but these are the two most glaring examples. So why not take a stand against all questionable dealing. RK.com could be a sort of ombudsman for the rug world.

Author: jc
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Mon, Dec 27th, 2004 11:20:59 PM

Me grow tired of this silly obsession. There's a huge difference, so quit clowning around trying to prove your untenable position.

Selling repro or fake, whether for 5,000 or 250,000, is reprehensible. Glorifying the mundane, i.e. later 19th century made for market-airport art, though nothing laudable, is not nearly in the same ballpark.

Author: The Truth
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Mon, Dec 27th, 2004 10:25:25 PM

Don't you think that "glorifying the mundane" in order to sell to the unwary is just as bad as selling fakes. In fact, aren't you accusing Mr. Dodds with "glorifying the mundane" as well (which in fact I agree he does). Ethical dealing is ethical dealing and unethical dealing is unethical dealing. Exaggerating the value or importance of something is just as bad as selling a fake.

Author: jc
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Mon, Dec 27th, 2004 09:30:00 PM

Again, your accusations are misput.

I have no axe to grind with anyone involved with LACMA's rug nor any one not to with Phillips.

Just for drill why don't you post in the kazbah-under discuss photos- two pieces you feel are so similar to deserve the criticism you've levied.

Granted I do not know every piece either of them has sold but have seen enough to say Phillips does glorify the mundane but far worse is jimbo allen glorifing fake and reproduction.

Big difference in RK's estimation but go ahead and post your comparison. Show us all imokub2 has sold fakes, if you can If not your position is nil

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