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Author:Cevat Kanig
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Tue, Aug 13th, 2013 06:41:38 PM
Topic: Here are cevat kanig's posts

Mr.Jack

Is it possible that if this carpet is Fake? and how did you get the picture of it ?.

Author: jc
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Tue, Aug 13th, 2013 06:41:38 PM

what carpet are you trying to talk about ?

Author: Cevat Kanig
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Sun, Feb 20th, 2005 01:43:25 AM

Here is Jack*** mail he wrote me, before that he call me and gently threaten me. ----- Original Message ----- From: jc@rugkazbah To: cevat kanig Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:51 P M Subject: RE we know more than just your phone number... you are in no position to make any demands go away and after 7 days i will put it in the archive no posts are EVER removed from the kazbah if you go away and do not return you will never hear from me again but if you keep on bothering me you will surely hear from me again do you now understand? do not email me do not post on the kazbah and i will put your posts and corner in the archive after 7 days Here is what i wrote to him, Listen Jack ! I am telling you this once and for all, I do not know , where you got my phone number. If you don’t want to be bothered again don’t bother us, and also erase the corner that you created about me. This personalty is looking for attantion, may be rating, trying to prove him self to oders, a lonly has anger, has no respect to oders only himself, selfish,clinic position, this is my last post here i will never post here again , **** him

HELLO cevat kanig: YOU KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT ME AS YOU DO ABOUT RUGS, WHICH MEANS NEXT TO NOTHING. IN FACT NEXT TO NOTHING IS A PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF YOU FROM WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED. YOU HAVE NOW CROSSED THE LINE AND WILL, WE ARE SURE, SOON REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN.

YOUR CONTINUING ATTEMPTS TO PROVE YOURSELF REMIND US OF steev price's.

PERHAPS AFTER REVIEWING YOUR ACTIONS YOU WILL NOW SEE FIT TO ADOPT A DIFFERENT STANCE FOR IF YOU DO NOT WE ARE SURE YOU WILL DAMAGE YOUR ALREADY EXTREMELY FRAGILE REPUTATION BEYOND REPAIR.

Author: ck
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Sat, Feb 19th, 2005 11:39:29 PM

Here is an oder images in Turkish islamic art museum. 17 th. century

http://www.iath.virginia.edu/~jmu2m/gp/GP20.jpg

Author: ck
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Sat, Feb 19th, 2005 09:23:48 PM

Jack***: can you tell us that if you see any similarty below images ,your claim that says unknoun design on the elem?, and the minor bordurs that i posted before on transylvania rug, and the color combination that i also posted before on transylvania rug. http://www.sanalistanbul.com/virtualistanbul/art/carpetandkilim/carpetandkilim7.JPG Jack***: check this outh to if you are blind yet, you will see the unknoun design wich you say, on the bordur of this rug. Jack***: you wrote that: LISTEN UP KANIG: IF YOU CONTINUE POSTING DRIVEL HERE I CAN PROMISE YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY. Jac***:What is that mean? are you threaten me ? i do very good Caucasion Dance, specialy sheh Shamil.

CEVAT KANIG: YOUR REWARD FOR BEING SUCH A PEST IS NOW IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CREATED.

WE HAVE CONTACT WITH SEVERAL OF YOUR FRIENDS, LIKE ALHAN IN ISTANBUL AND ABDI IN MASS. THEY ARE BOTH SO GLAD WE HAVE INVITED THEM TO JOIN IN. KEEP PESTERING US AND YOU WILL SOON HAVE YOUR REWARD. ENJOY!

Author: Cevat Kanig
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Fri, Feb 18th, 2005 12:18:54 AM

Jack***: Who told you my 2 child in Istanbul, they are here with me,Idiot !

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 08:53:12 PM

Jack***: are you going to be a good boy ?

YOU ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DENIED ENTRY INTO RK.com.

CONGRATS, YOU AND michael bischoff, ARE THE ONLY TWO PESTS WHO HAVE EARNED THIS DISTINCTION. ENJOY

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 08:35:57 PM

JACK***: WHAT IS COOKING?

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 08:10:18 PM

Jack***: what happend ?

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:57:11 PM

Jack***: are you going to tell us that who are the people in New Egland area that makes pool with you or without you, PIMP !

LISTEN UP KANIG:

IF YOU CONTINUE POSTING DRIVEL HERE I CAN PROMISE YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY. QUIT WHILE YOU ARE AHEAD AND GO PLAY WITH steev. GO GET SOME WORK AND SEND SOME MONEY TO YOUR TWO CHILDREN IN ISTANBUL.

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE HERE, THAT IS SURE.

AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT POOL WITH ANYONE, EVER.

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:56:21 PM

Hi Jack***, I dont know what the f*** is going around here.


CEVAT: AKA PIMP if you persist is pestering RK we will prevent you from posting and even visiting this site. And please don't try to hide who you are unless you go to another computer..butt know ye well because of your unique fracturing of the English language, and your dumb-as-a rock views about rugs, we'll know its you, everytime.

Adieu, cretin.

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:55:36 PM

You are just an idiot, you think that you know things but you dont, just an idiot can think like you, see you some where in Boston,why dont you tell in your side how the guys chaeting people, making pool in auction, you report that to us not rugs, adios.

Author: jc
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:54:54 PM

Cevat:
Je parle francaise, deutsch, et un po italiano but sorry for you no Turkish or I’d straighten you out in your native tongue.

You know nothing about me or for that matter historic oriental rugs.

RK.com is not the place for you to mouth off or act like the fool you probably are. Get lost and go back to professor clown's amateur hour.

I could care less how long you have been in the rug business, as all those years have taught you little.

Just because you have not seen something means nothing. Maybe your eyes were closed, huh?

As far as my "learning things from the sides...."? or from you?

Puhleeze, don't make me laugh any more. The only thing one could "learn" visiting professor clown's side is what a fool he is. I gather you're similarly challenged so I will include you with him in that epitaph.

So refrain from wasting your time posting here again unless you have something of merit to contribute.

Is that now clear?

ps: by the way, you can call me rug-god but with a small g, ok.....

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:54:11 PM

Mr.Jack,

First of all, i start this Business when i was 12 years old, i am in this business since 1978 from Istanbul, my english cold be bad, but understanable, do you speack any lanluage oder that English similar to my english, NO !.

You claim that the carpet was reprodaction, i have never seen such a thing before hole my live, i had been witness of many things in oriental rugs,but not like this before, you claim the rug is 18th. or 19th century rug and i do not think so,You can't be sure if you did not see the rug in person!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I am going to repied it again, Y O U C A N N E V E R, N E V E R, N E V E R B E S U R E W I T H O U T S E E I N G T H E R U G I N P E R S O N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

The things that i do not like in your web side is you are attacking and humiliating oder web sides that you are waching even me, and learning things from the sides that you don't like, no body is perfect and GREAT but only the god !.

Author: jc
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:53:23 PM

Greetings Cevat:
We gather you are the CK who posted here earlier today, right? How’s things in D.C.?

Frankly, RK is sure we are not the only readers who might be a bit confused at your post. Why are you referring to Transylvanian rugs?

We have made copies of them and post them now here for reference:

While we recognize your comments about the existence of similar minor borders are quite understandable in reference to what we said about the LACMA/dodds rug, you do err on one important point. Transylvanian rugs are not exactly ETV (Early Turkish Village) rugs and even though there are a number of different varieties of Transylvanian rugs (which signify the different places and ages of manufacture) none of them are analogous to the village rug production we mentioned.

Plus we did say not all ETV rugs have different minor borders so your example falls short of its purpose in trying to debunk our assessment of the LACMA/dodds rug.

Please know we do appreciate your trying even though you failed to make much of a dent in our analysis. You are more than welcome to try again.

As for the rest of your assertions let us put them to rest quickly. After 35 years of collecting and researching historic carpets you can rest assured RK’s views are not haphazardly constructed.

In the case of the LACMA/dodds rug we did view the rug in Philadelphia but were not able to handle it. At that time we did makes some notes about it in our catalog and those views have not changed.

We are also familiar with some of your posting over at professor price=clown’s website. From what we have seen there, and this effort you have made here, it is obvious you need remedial help with your English as well as with your knowledge of old carpets.

For your information the fragment of the Transylvanian rug is probably circa1650, which is close to your guesstimate. However, the complete carpet that you say is 16th century is, at best, circa 1750, which is a long way from your estimation.

Did you make those dates up yourself or did you take them from where these pieces might have been published.

In any event the fragment is a very good example but the complete carpet, like the LACMA/dodds, rug is nothing but a later period piece. It is, however, far better as an example of its type than the LACMA/dodds piece is of its.

Please note we do recognize your posting it to offer comparison to the somewhat similar central medallion treatment in the LACMA/dodds rug. It is, in our opinion, superior to the other rug’s attempt at it.

All in all this is why we called the piece you posted a later period piece and the LACMA/dodds rug a later period reproduction.

That said please note we do not like it either, as it, too, has that cutesy, two dimensional appearance we mentioned in reference to the LACMA/dodds dud.

As for your finding RK’s webside aggressive? Well our aggression pales in relation to yours, Cevat.

We suggest you remain a player over at steev’s corral. It’s perfectly clear you can’t run with the bulls here on RK.com.

Author: ck
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Thu, Feb 17th, 2005 07:52:26 PM

Transylvania : also called Siebenbürger rug any of the large numbers of floor coverings found in the churches of Transylvania (part of Romania), to which they had been donated by pious families. Some of these rugs are of Turkish manufacture.

17th. century transylvania fragment, please check the bordur of this fragment minor bordurs same color and design on either side.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeoofpd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/trans2.jpg 17th. Century Transylvania rug, http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeoofpd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/transylvania.jpg
16th. Century Anatolian Rug with Elem. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeoofpd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/16thcentury.jpg What i think is that you can call yours self as Turkoman rug collector or what ever, but i do not think that you can talk about Turkish carpets.

Withouth seeing a rug, you can NEVER ! be sure the origin and the age of the rug by a picture.

I found your web side very aggressive , you are attacking the sides that you are getting informations and claiming that you are great,i am sure that you are great of BULLSHIT

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