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Sun, Apr 24th, 2005 07:10:30 PM
Topic: 'Scuze me

Over on the internet version of romper-room for rugs, also known as professor price=clown’s sandbox, the latest of the saloon style presentations, now mostly called mini-saloons, is focused on the large flat-weaves known as Turkmen kilims or Palas.

These late 19th and 20th century weavings are absolutely uninteresting from almost any perspective except as commercial articles to be used a floor coverings, although any lay person who happened to fall into clownland might suppose differently after reading the somewhat involved treatment the author has given them.

While RK.com appreciates fresh looks at Oriental Rugs Topics that are not mainstream or well researched by other authors, the making a mountain out of a molehill, which is what basically has been attempted here, does stretch that point to the max.

The author of this mini-saloon is no doubt well meaning and enthusiastic but unfortunately for him totally misguided in his approach and, more regrettably, with the ideas and opinions he has tossed around like salad on an all you can eat food buffet.

We have neither the patience nor inclination, let alone the desire, to bother to critique his silly assertions and amateurish attempts to draw parallels with other far more significantly historic and beautiful types of weaving. We’ll leave that to our readers to do for themselves.

This presentation, a term we use gratuitously as regurgitation might be more descriptive, has been online for several weeks and peering though the comments, most of which by the way are from the author himself, reveals little that might be characterized as anything other than more of the same.

For instance one regular contributor asked:
“Why do you think the turkmen design roots can be found in a flatweave design construction? And if so, why not the other way around?”

By the way this person, while not the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree of Oriental Rug aficionados, is actually the Star over there.

The author of the saloon replied as follows:
“I'm inclined to believe that the gul format of pile rugs, with it's metered layout could find it's origins in or might be a crossover application from palas weaving. Their symmetries are so alike.”

He might be inclined to believe that but we’d suggest fastening his seat belt as he’s probably rolling down the hill of ignorance that incline has created right now.

He then continues his attempt to prove his miniscule understanding as follows:
“It is all rather confusing. Gelim, Kelim, Palas, Soumac, where does one stop and the other begin? I guess this is why, it is my understanding, the study of the kelim is regarded as a discipline separate(sic) from pile carpets.”

Copying and pasting an explanation from another author, recognized by RK as a rather dubious source of information, professor clown’s erstwhile jimmy olsen then tells readers:
“I don't even begin to pretend to understand these distinctions. This Turkmen Palas does seem to be a rather singular creature, and especially considering their similarities to Uzbek and other central asian flatweaves, it stands to reason that much could be learned of these relationships from their study.”

Mind you this is after he has spent much verbiage trying to relate these weavings to other more highly regarded ones.

Oh, by the way, he signs off with the following epitaph:
“Speculatively Speaking”. That dear readers is about the most realistic conclusion we saw in our look through his effort.

What followed on that thread of comments, which might be better referred to as a loose ball of worthless snippets, was an unnecessary discussion of kelim, kilim, gelim, palas semantics that culminated with the authors unabashed confession:
“Or is my inexperience showing.”

Again for the umpteenth time we ask how long can such rank amateurs continue to pose and post their “inexperience” in a public forum?

Let us not miss the opportunity to mention another discussion found there entitled:
”A penny for your thoughts”.

While the US dollar is becoming less valuable every day such a comparison to the lowly copper slug, that still holds more value than any of the “thoughts” offered up for public consumption by such idiotic posers of the rug world, like steev price=clown and the rest of coterie of equally inept friends and sycophants, is nothing other than more wishful thinking.

As we were exiting the domain of rug dummies we did notice the following post:
“first of all i find it very nice and comfortable(sic), that i have the possibility to ask the very specialists in carpets in the world wide web! a friend of mine inherited(sic) a few carpets from her grandma. now we like to know, what kind of carpets they are, because we are completely(sic) greenhorns! mary ann & Melanie

Pity these poor two ladies who got bamboozled by what they read on the internet that led them into thinking professor clown and company are knowledgeable rug specialists.

RK hopes mary ann and Melanie will seek a second opinion, as the probability of their learning anything more than a fractured fairy-tale about their friend’s inheritance is about as high as their winning a spelling bee.

Seriously, this is but one more example of the old “don’t believe what you read” adage. For those of our readers who don’t already know, let us inform you, steev price=clown has been for a number of years the “editor” in charge of listings at several search engines and what do you think he does?

He shamelessly promotes his amateur-hour website as the place to go for information about old oriental rugs. No wonder the likes of mary ann and melanie, who are from Austria, and who knows how many countless others have fallen into price’s sandbox. Hope they all brought their little red shovels and matching pails with them – there's plenty to shovel anywhere price, aka the idiot of the rug world, hangs out.

Author: jc
Sun, Apr 24th, 2005 07:10:30 PM

We all learn, well those of us who are capable of learning, by asking questions - either to ourselves or to others who might be more expert and able to answer them.

Were this the case over at professor clown circus no one, including myself, would poke fun at or ridicule the goings-on there. However, this is not the case, as steev and several others of his crew consistently see themselves capable of answering questions when they, themselves, have neither the knowledge or experience necessary to do so.

This is abundantly clear to anyone who might actually know something about antique Oriental Rugs and since price=clown and his buddies surely don't, they are as lost as little bo-peep.

Speaking of lost in the woods, david hunt's persistent attempts to prove his dumber than a rock thesis about palas weaving and its relationship to Turkmen pile weavings have begun to rival steev's public flights of lunacy.

When we just looked in there, we found hunt now trying to show how a simple brocaded design found on the ends of one of his airport-art palas is the prototype for the ashik design found on many Turkmen groups weavings.

To characterize such a dubious and laughable idea as a working hypothesis would be more inane than hunt's proposing it in the first place.

Actually RK pities hunt's predicament, as from all intents and purposes he appears well meaning, though totally misguided. Too bad for him no-one over there has enough expertise to set him straight and because of this hunt will continue to wallow in the Sargasso Sea of ignorance surrounding professor price=clown's tiny island of rug idiocy.

Author: jc
Wed, Apr 20th, 2005 11:40:00 PM

Give 100 monkey typewriters, paper and after years of pounding away at those keys you might end up with a readable sentence, maybe even a paragraph.

Such might be the case one could argue with the sandbox set and the goings on at professor clown's romper room.

Not satisfied with the silly assertions we comment on above, mr david hunt is now postulating that perhaps the Turkmen gol form and subset of minor gols is derived from the Ikat weaving tradition.

This is not only ludicrous and preposterous but harebrained as well. Where is hunt going to go next - to Turkmen design forms came from Kellogg's cereal boxtops?

Using the "supposed fact" Ikat was introduced to Turkmenistan in the 8th century (where he got this "fact" heaven knows) mr hunt then extrapolates it to support his dopey assertion about the relationship between Ikat and Turkmen design form and iconography.

Well, hunt is a rank amateur and he readily admits it but professor price=clown, who is not nearly as honest concerning his expertise, and the rest of the motley crew of rug idiots - like amstey and silverman not to mention jr howe, who are equally challenged as price=clown - have chosen to go along for the ride with him. And in doing so proven they, too, are rug ignoramuses.

Truly, this is tragic for anyone who might wander into price's playhouse and believe the bunk and nonsense, such as this fairytale, found there.

Again we ask - Why do these mini-minds continue to make fools of themselves in public?

Author: jc
Sat, Apr 16th, 2005 01:53:04 PM

"Scuze the voice of reality intruding into your fairy-tale sandbox but the reason there are no examples or even fragments of any old palas is because none ever existed.

It is typically comical the manner in which professor clown and his cohorts are beating their gums chewing on the idea some, or even, one example might exist.

Only those who are inexperienced, like david hunt who is the author of the mini-show-and-tell on palas, or just plain downright dull, like professor steev price=clown, could entertain such minor, and picayune in our estimation, ideas concerning the palas weaving tradition.

Sorry boys but the palas is a late addition to the Turkmen weaving repertoire and these flat-woven rugs and bags are decorative airport art, nothing more and nothing less.

To even muse with the concept palas weaving, or any other flat-weave technique, provides the origin of Turkmen pile weaving traditions is just another absurd escapade into silliness, which really is about the only thing professor clown's group is actually experienced in doing - spinning silly nonsense in the guise of knowledge or "learning".

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